Armin Nassehi and Johanna Sprondel
Transformation is usually talked about with grand gestures and even greater concern. Whether it is about combating climate change, restructuring the state and the economy or the question of ending wars: the urgency is inferred to mean that it is possible and acceptable, often with a cautionary eye. What is forgotten is that all transformation must take place in a world that is already here and is reacting to it with its own means, including populist threats to democracy. In his book "Critique of the grand gesture" (C.H. Beck), Armin Nassehi shows that you cannot transform society against it, but only within it and with it - and only by its own means.
Armin Nassehi talks to Johanna Sprondel, Director of Urania, about what can be found beyond the grand gesture: a society that has to think differently about transformation and will ultimately benefit from the logic of small steps.
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