Nobel Peace Prize winner Irina Scherbakowa and Green Party member of parliament Anton Hofreiter talk about Ukraine in the third winter of war. A taz Talk with taz culture editor Andreas Fanizadeh.
"The alleged threat posed by NATO is a pure pop dance," says Irina Scherbakowa. The prominent Russian civil rights activist urgently warns against "serving Ukraine up to Putin as a victim". It would be an invitation for him to continue attacking the neighboring democracies and the West. "You can only stop him on the battlefield," says Sherbakova, who campaigned for peace, democracy and a historical reappraisal of the crimes of Stalinism under the Soviet regime - and continues to do so today.
But how can Russia be stopped? EU sanctions seem to have had little success so far. Not only because EU member states such as Spain, Austria, Hungary, Belgium and France continue to purchase gas from Russia. North Korea supports Putin with soldiers and ammunition, Iran's mullahs supply missiles and drones (which contain Western European components).
Green politician Anton Hofreiter campaigned early on for consistent military support for the invaded Ukraine. He was loudly criticized by some for this. After all, his party colleague Robert Habeck succeeded in decoupling Germany's energy supply from Russia in just a short time as Minister of Economic Affairs.
The USA under Trump is becoming more unpredictable. What role should Germany now play in providing effective political and military support to Ukraine?
A talk with:
Anton Hofreiter, member of the German Bundestag for the Greens since 2005. Chairman of the Bündnis 90/Die Grünen parliamentary group from 2013 to 2021. Since December 2021 Chairman of the Committee on European Union Affairs.
Irina Scherbakowa, Germanist, historian, co-founder of the human rights organization Memorial, awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2022. Author of the book "The Hands of My Father".
Andreas Fanizadeh, Chief Cultural Policy Correspondent of the taz
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